Love & Hate v Love/Hate. We roll through Ochster's life, why and when for the drums, and drop a buttload of pop music references. To whit: The Great Rock and Roll Swindle, Kiss, Jimi, Southwest DC, Tony Orlando & Dawn (ed. Andy ups the energy quotient around a gazillion percent), Forgotten Sons, Dischord Records, the Ramones (ed. I'm wearing a Ramones shirt right now), u2, Steve Earle, Clutch (ed. CLUTCH!), u2's discography, David Lee Roth's career as a paramedic, drum gear, etc. Beatles mention at 37 minutes. Then we talk Fist Ladies Man! Go to firstladiesman.com